Episode Date November 14, 2023
Featured Guest Tiziana Casciaro
Featured Book "The Heart is Noble" by The Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje

Episode Summary

Tiziana Casciaro reading from Ogyen Trinley Dorje’s The Heart is Noble, and discussing a more interdependent reality.

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‘The map is not the territory.’

This is one of those obvious yet profound insights: the thing we use to try and understand reality, is not reality. It’s true for all charts in companies, for instance. While they tell you a lot, they don’t have all the answers. Your map of the world, what does it tell you and what does it not?

Tiziana Casciaro is Professor of Organizational Behavior at the Rotman School of Management at the University of Toronto, and co-author of the book Power, for All: How It Really Works and Why It’s Everyone’s Business.

Tiziana reads two pages from ‘The Heart is Noble’ by the 17th Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje. [reading begins at 26:25]

Hear us discuss:

  • The study of the nonobvious. [6:33]
  • “When you have a lot of power imbalance, in the long run, bad things tend to happen.” [13:46]
  • The challenges and consequences of power in organizational spaces. [15:11]
  • “The world would be infinitely better if we were all more aware of how interdependent we are.” [33:03]
  • Power for all: “Sharing power doesn’t mean giving up power, it means empowering others.” [37:00]
  • Moving from certainty to ambiguity: “Remind yourself of the good in you so that you will be able to appreciate the good in others without fearing they will take over.” [42:33]
  • How human behavior is influenced by context. [46:41]

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Resources:

Mentioned Episodes | Ep. 23 What To Do With Power: Matthew Barzun | Ep. 36 How to Practice Understanding: Pamay Bassey

Taziana Casciaro | LinkedIn | Power, for All: How It Really Works and Why It’s Everyone’s Business

The Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje | The Heart is Noble: Changing the World from the Inside Out

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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