Episode Date March 22, 2022
Featured Guest Gina Jeneroux
Featured Book "Switch: How to Change Things When Change is Hard" by Chip Heath, Dan Heath

Episode Summary

Gina Jeneroux reading from Chip and Dan Heath’s Switch and discussing how to maintain your own spirit.

Michael’s new book How to Begin: Start Doing Something that Matters is now available at www.HowToBegin.com.

If you were to summarize my corporate career, the core theme would be: discovering the ways I didn’t really fit. I didn’t become an entrepreneur for all of the conventional reasons, I had simply realized that I just wasn’t that good at having a boss. This poses the question: is there a way to be a rebel and stiff flourish within a system?

Gina Jeneroux is the Chief Learning Officer at the Bank of Montreal, and she’s on a mission to change how her colleagues – and eventually, the world – learn and prepare for the future.

Gina reads two pages from ‘Switch’ by Chip Heath and Dan Heath. [reading begins at 12:10]

Hear us discuss:

  • “It’s not just about being different for different sake, but rather about driving a different kind of impact.” [4:02]
  • How to prepare for failure. [17:49]
  • Breaking away from formal learning. [21:27]
  • Different areas of skills: “The problems we need to solve in the coming years are different from the ones we’ve seen before.” [25:02]
  • Navigating a world full of ambiguity. [29:38]
  • “Our biggest limiter is ourselves.” [34:41]

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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