Episode Date February 1, 2022
Featured Guest Steven D’Souza
Featured Book "The Self Delusion" by Tom Oliver

Episode Summary

Steven D’Souza reading from Tom Oliver’s The Self Delusion, and discussing finding a healthy balance between individuality and interdependence.

Michael’s new book How to Begin: Start Doing Something that Matters is now available at www.HowToBegin.com.

One of my favourite words is penumbra. Its etymology is the combination of the Latin words for almost, and shadow. The word means ‘the edge of the shadow’: not quite light, not quite dark. Another favourite word is liminal – on the threshold. Some of my favourite people are those who seek out those spaces of ambiguity, uncertainty, and fluidity – people willing to dissolve the sense of who they are, currently, so they can see what emerges next.

I met Steven D’Souza at the ‘House of Beautiful Business’ conference in Lisbon, and immediately, I wanted to be his friend. He’s trained as a priest, written a trilogy of wonderful books, been the vice president for an investment bank, and the head of Leadership Development for a Fortune 500 company. When you try to piece together this career progression … it seems to make Steven more of an enigma, rather than less.

Steven reads two pages from ‘The Self Delusion’ by Tom Oliver. [reading begins at 15:20]

Hear us discuss:

  • Being freed from excessive individualism. [19:13]
  • Rejecting the individualistic approach: “It’s not either/or, it’s both/and.” [21:29]
  • Growth as a ‘teacher.’ [25:27]
  • Deciding who to serve: “Let your life speak.” [29:20]

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Steven D’Souza | WebsiteNot Being: The Art of Self-Transformation | Not Knowing: The Art of Turning Uncertainty into Opportunity | Not Doing: The Art of Turning Struggle into Ease

Tom Oliver | The Self Delusion: The Surprising Science of How We Are Connected and Why That Matters

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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