Episode Date August 3, 2021
Featured Guest Lisa Gill
Featured Book "Leadership and the New Science: Discovering Order in a Chaotic World" by Meg Wheatley

Episode Summary

Lisa Gill reading from Meg Wheatley’s Leadership and the New Science: Discovering Order in a Chaotic World and discussing how the concept of ‘work’ has evolved.

The pandemic has accelerated this conversation around the future of work in a way that would have felt inconceivable two years ago. But the future of work isn’t just ‘Zooming’ everything. The bigger questions are: How does power work? How do we stay human-centred? How do we find our way through complexity? In this episode, author and podcast host, Lisa Gill, explores the need for quantum shifts in organisations and the importance of relationships in an archaic company system.

Lisa reads two pages from ‘Leadership and the New Science: Discovering Order in a Chaotic World’ by Meg Wheatley. [reading begins at 08:18]

Hear us talk about:

  • The fears lying at the heart of traditional management. [15:46]
  • The brokenness of relationships within organisations. [17:15]
  • Where to start in paying attention to relationships: ‘Self-reflection is the first step in fixing relationships.’ [20:34]
  • How crucial it is to have an active connection to your emotions. [24:48]
  • “Addressing the paradigm from which you operate must come before development conversations.” [26:34]
  • “Power is energy.” [31:21]
  • How to articulate power. [35:23]
  • How to start building your tribe – the comfort of finding other people who share the same frustrations and goals. [38:05]

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Lisa’s podcast: Leadermorphosis

Lisa’s book: Moose Heads on the Table

Margaret (Meg) Wheatley | Leadership and the New Science: Discovering Order in a Chaotic World

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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