Episode Date February 22, 2022
Featured Guest Naomi Shragai
Featured Book "See Under: Love" by David Grossman

Episode Summary

Naomi Shragai reading from David Grossman’s See Under: Love and discussing conscious awareness in the road to making work more human-centered.

Michael’s new book How to Begin: Start Doing Something that Matters is now available at www.HowToBegin.com.

I’ve resisted therapy for almost all of my 54 years. What changed my mind was reading a book called Mindsight by Dan Siegel, which made me realize that therapy could not only be about fixing what’s broken, but also, around integration – who I am, and who I want to be.

Naomi Shragai is a psychotherapist who’s been practicing for over 30 years. She is also a freelance journalist for The Financial Times, and author of The Man Who Mistook His Job for His Life, a book whose genesis is present in the work that she does.

Naomi reads two pages from ‘See Under: Love’ by David Grossman. [reading begins at 17:37]

Hear us discuss:

  • Navigating a relationship with a traumatized or struggling partner. [25:21]
  • What to do when you don’t have a clue. [26:23]
  • Can you be human at work?: “Work needs to acknowledge that everyone’s coming in and bringing their messy lives into the workplace; people aren’t leaving them at home.” [28:28]
  • “Bad things happen, we can’t deny them.” [32:14]
  • How leaders can make work more human. [32:18]
  • A conversation with an overachiever. [34:06]

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Naomi Shragai | Website | LinkedIn | The Man Who Mistook His Job for His Life: How to Thrive at Work by Leaving Your Emotional Baggage Behind

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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