Episode Date July 12, 2022
Featured Guest Garrett Bucks
Featured Book "They Can’t Kill Us Until They Kill Us" by Hanif Abdurraqib

Episode Summary

Garrett Bucks reading from Hanif Abdurraqib’s They Can’t Kill Us Until They Kill Us and discussing the harm of the white savior complex.

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One of my favorite questions is simply this: How can I help? The power of it is two-fold. First, it asks the other person to name the help that’s required – that’s powerful for them, as it often isn’t totally clear what that is, even to them. The second power – the more important one, in my opinion – is that it disrupts your own assumption that you already know what they need. But, all of this points to a bigger question: How do you best give more to the world than you take? 

Garrett Bucks is the founder of The Barnraisers Project. It’s just as it sounds: a group of people get together, and collectively build a barn for one of their members. As with all of us, it took Garrett a while to realize what his path should be.

Garrett reads two pages from ‘They Can’t Kill Us Until They Kill Us’ by Hanif Abdurraqib. [reading begins at 22:35]

Hear us discuss:

  • “I spent a whole lot of my career feeling like I had a right to leadership, wherever I went.” [4:00]
  • Being a neighbour. [10:33]
  • How to unlearn the heroic, individualistic narrative. [14:32]
  • Sitting with whiteness and using your privilege: “Whiteness is completely made up.”  [30:50]
  • The importance of lowering your altitude: “If the conversation stops at the big picture, we’re just gonna be stuck in that morass.” [37:38]

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Hanif Abdurraqib | They Can’t Kill Us Until They Kill Us

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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