Episode Date June 24, 2021
Featured Guest Dr. Caroline Heldman
Featured Book "On Being White ... And Other Lies" by James Baldwin

Episode Summary

Caroline Heldman reading James Baldwin’s essay On Being White … And Other Lies and discussing how to facilitate social change.

Did you have rules growing up? As the eldest child, I definitely had some of the ‘good in theory’ rules that my mum and dad were testing out as new parents. But there are rules, and then there are rules. Dr. Caroline Heldman’s past is part of what fuels her work. Today, she’s an academic, an author, and an activist, and she joins me to share her views on being a force for change in this world.

Caroline reads ‘On Being White … And Other Lies,’ an essay by James Baldwin that was published in Essence. [reading begins at 16:22]

Hear us discuss:

  • “Whiteness is constructed by rejecting and debasing blackness.” [20:07]
  • Recognising the power of privilege. [23:19]
  • What it means to be an activist: “Taking action for social change is why I’m here on this planet.” [26:44]
  • “I’m all about the cause. I don’t want the title; I don’t want credit. I don’t care, as long as the culture shifts.” [33:31]

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James Baldwin | On Being White … And Other Things

Caroline Heldman books | Madam President?: Gender and Politics on the Road to the White House | Sex and Gender in the 2016 Presidential Election

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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