Episode Date October 17, 2023
Featured Guest Bob Joseph
Featured Book "BE DiFFERENT or be dead" by Roy Osing

Episode Summary

Bob Joseph reading from Roy Osing’s BE DiFFERENT or be dead, and sharing his long-term view of working towards reconciliation between people everywhere.

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As I’m recording this, I’m currently in Australia where we’re about two weeks out from a national referendum on whether or not to change the Australian Constitution to recognise the first peoples of Australia, by establishing a body called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. I’m embarrassed to say that it doesn’t look likely to pass, and by the time you’re hearing this we’ll know for sure. There’s a profoundly worrying general lack of energy and empathy among most Australians, and, to me, feels like a once-in-a-generation opportunity for reconciliation, empowerment, and healing is being missed. It’s confronting to recognise that so many of us live on unceded territories of First Nations, and it’s not easy to know what to do about it. That’s why I’m so grateful to the people doing the work to give the rest of us the chance to do the right things, and make the braver choices.

Bob Joseph has been steadily changing the world for decades. He’s the President and CEO of Indigenous Corporate Training Inc, a company focused on teaching others how to work effectively with those people who are native to Canadian land, and also the author of a perpetual best-seller in Canada, 21 Things You May Not Know About The Indian Act.

Bob reads two pages from ‘BE DiFFERENT or be dead’ by Roy Osing. [reading begins at 32:15]

Hear us discuss:

  • What reconciliation looks like: “It took us 137 years to get into this mess, and I’m hoping it won’t take us 137 years to get out of it.” [14:54]
  • The three selves: self-determination, self-government, and self-reliance. [17:00]
  • “A lot of people doing a lot of little things adds up to a pretty big change.” [40:03]
  • Knowing when to take control, and when to let it be. [40:59]
  • How to stay patient: “Watch for the little victories and celebrate those.” [45:08]

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Bob Joseph | Indigenous Corporate Training Inc. | LinkedIn | 21 Things You May Not Know About The Indian Act: Helping Canadians Make Reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples a Reality | Working Effectively With Indigenous Peoples

Roy Osing | BE DiFFERENT or be dead: The Audacious ‘Unheard-of Ways’ I Took a Startup to A BILLION IN SALES

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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