Episode Date November 8, 2022
Featured Guest Loretta Ross
Featured Book "The War for Kindness" by Jamil Zaki

Episode Summary

Loretta Ross reading from Jamil Zaki’s book, The War for Kindness, and discussing compassion fatigue, connecting with others, and how the activism landscape has changed over the past 50 years.

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Despite its good intentions, activism can be exhausting. Finding motivation to keep the fight going can be a struggle, but connecting with others is key. A small circle of compassion goes a long way.

I am delighted to speak with Loretta Ross, an activism pioneer in the human rights and reproductive justice movements, professor, public intellectual, nationally recognized speaker, and co-author of best-selling books on reproductive justice.

Loretta reads two pages from Jamil Zaki’s inspiring book, ‘The War for Kindness.’ [reading begins at 11:36]

Hear us discuss:

  • “At the heart of all activism is hope; the belief that things can change, and that you can make a difference in bringing about that change.” [7:02]
  • “The people who are opposed to human rights think they’re fighting us, the human rights movement, but they couldn’t be more wrong. They’re fighting forces way bigger than us because they’re fighting truth. They’re fighting evidence and history, and most of all, they’re fighting time.” [8:40]
  • Making mistakes and being afraid to mess up: “I’ve learned over time to not do things that I can’t look in the eye the next day.” [18:51]

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Jamil Zaki | The War for Kindness: Building Empathy in A Fractured World

Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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