Episode Date April 4, 2023
Featured Guest Laura Gassner Otting
Featured Book "Stones from the River" by Ursula Hegi

Episode Summary

Laura Gassner Otting reading from Ursula Hegi’s Stones from the River, and discussing the unfairness of perfectionism & recognising what success means to you.

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Growing up, there were a couple of my dad’s high school track trophies on the sideboard in our house. I loved those trophies as a kid – Dad, on the other hand, was pretty indifferent to them, having moved on to other things. Be it physical or not, what trophies do you have? And which ones are you now chasing? How do your past and possible achievements shape and enliven you, and in turn, how do they constrain you?

Laura Gassner Otting is a best-selling author, a keynote speaker, a coach, and a friend.

Laura reads two pages from ‘Stones from the River’ by Ursula Hegi. [reading begins at 24:00]

Hear us discuss:

  • How to stop chasing approval from others. [7:40]
  • The difference between institutions and cathedrals. [17:38]
  • “Grow to love the part of you that is always in process.” [31:43]
  • Finding both success and happiness. [33:54]
  • “There’s success for my ego, and success for my heart.” [40:38]
  • Success then versus now: “Success is knowing who I am and how I can bring that to people who want to see more of me.”  [41:53]

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Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier

I'm the author of five books that have collectively sold more than a million copies. I'm the founder of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps organizations move from advice-driven to curiosity-led. I'm the host of the *2 Pages with MBS* podcast.

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